Commenti a: Pope Francis and the civil war in the Church https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church Vatican at a Glance Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:00:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 Di: Guerre civile dans l’Eglise | Benoit et Moi https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1365096 Guerre civile dans l’Eglise | Benoit et Moi Thu, 12 Aug 2021 05:47:04 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1365096 [...] GagliarducciMonday Vatican9 août 2021Ma [...] [...] GagliarducciMonday Vatican9 août 2021Ma [...]

]]> Di: tad https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1365066 tad Wed, 11 Aug 2021 13:47:29 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1365066 What interpretation of Vatican II are we all suppose to believe and follow? This is the problem. Do we listen to those who actually wrote documents and participated in the Council? Or do we listen to those who were not at the Council, and tell us those who were at the council are interpreting it all wrong? And what Novus Ordo Mass is there? Which of the thousands of different interpretation of the New Mass are to follow? It's like trying follow a mirage. One person says it's over there, and another person say it's somewhere else. If the leaders of the Catholic Church cannot come to any conclusions on the Council, or the Mass, how are the little sheep suppose to figure it all our? This is the main problem, the leaders can't agree on it. Maybe the ambiguity of the Council is the problem. It decided nothing. What interpretation of Vatican II are we all suppose to believe and follow? This is the problem. Do we listen to those who actually wrote documents and participated in the Council? Or do we listen to those who were not at the Council, and tell us those who were at the council are interpreting it all wrong? And what Novus Ordo Mass is there? Which of the thousands of different interpretation of the New Mass are to follow? It’s like trying follow a mirage. One person says it’s over there, and another person say it’s somewhere else. If the leaders of the Catholic Church cannot come to any conclusions on the Council, or the Mass, how are the little sheep suppose to figure it all our? This is the main problem, the leaders can’t agree on it. Maybe the ambiguity of the Council is the problem. It decided nothing.

]]> Di: Elias Galy https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1365003 Elias Galy Tue, 10 Aug 2021 11:16:05 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1365003 Out of duty, not boasting, I pray for the Holy Father daily and it isn't just 3 Hail Mary's. It is not possible to travel to see the Pope, but when I pray for him I imagine an invitation to visit could arrive at any time if and when heaven thought it were needed, so that I invest the conviction of my prayers that way. I am content to be satisfied with this because it is all I can do and it is not part of any strife, civil war or hidden or other obstinacy; and I can thank God. I believe I am not alone in this kind of approach to the Holy Father and I am writing to let him know that people try to remain faithful and close for the sake of love and for the Glory of God. Out of duty, not boasting, I pray for the Holy Father daily and it isn’t just 3 Hail Mary’s. It is not possible to travel to see the Pope, but when I pray for him I imagine an invitation to visit could arrive at any time if and when heaven thought it were needed, so that I invest the conviction of my prayers that way. I am content to be satisfied with this because it is all I can do and it is not part of any strife, civil war or hidden or other obstinacy; and I can thank God. I believe I am not alone in this kind of approach to the Holy Father and I am writing to let him know that people try to remain faithful and close for the sake of love and for the Glory of God.

]]> Di: FrankieB https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364991 FrankieB Tue, 10 Aug 2021 05:16:50 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364991 There's a civil war brewing beause this Pope was elected by European Socialists partial to pedophiles and other leftist ilk. He is more concerned with his standing with anti-Catholic cosmopolitan elites than he is in standing with LOYAL Catholics. The Latin Mass is just one issue among many. There’s a civil war brewing beause this Pope was elected by European Socialists partial to pedophiles and other leftist ilk.

He is more concerned with his standing with anti-Catholic cosmopolitan elites than he is in standing with LOYAL Catholics.

The Latin Mass is just one issue among many.

]]> Di: The pope and the civil war in the Church - JP2 Catholic Radio https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364989 The pope and the civil war in the Church - JP2 Catholic Radio Tue, 10 Aug 2021 04:45:11 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364989 [...] War, in short, is destined to remain unless the pope works to build bridges of reconciliation. That is, unless Pope Francis finally decides to change his approach.  © 2021 The Catholic Thing. All rights reserved. For reprint rights, write to: [...] [...] War, in short, is destined to remain unless the pope works to build bridges of reconciliation. That is, unless Pope Francis finally decides to change his approach.  © 2021 The Catholic Thing. All rights reserved. For reprint rights, write to: [...]

]]> Di: Guisseppe Lee https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364976 Guisseppe Lee Mon, 09 Aug 2021 22:31:53 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364976 OK Father, that is 3 strikes from you against the Pope. I don't think Cardinal Pell would agree with your rash criticism of P Francis. You could have said 3 hail Mary's for him instead - I will now... OK Father, that is 3 strikes from you against the Pope. I don’t think Cardinal Pell would agree with your rash criticism of P Francis.
You could have said 3 hail Mary’s for him instead – I will now…

]]> Di: Bill https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364975 Bill Mon, 09 Aug 2021 22:15:38 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364975 I was surprised to read the comment “There always has been a plurality in the Church.” I wonder if this is true? If it is true, perhaps that is why doctrine has stayed true and how it’s protected. Lately, it seems to me as if the plurality is of the liberal side. Is this because the hierarchy is predominantly liberal? From my 70 or so years of attending weekly mass, 99% of homilies are non confrontational. Is that a left leaning style? Or are most priests afraid to say anything that would hurt someone’s feelings, or get them in trouble? I was surprised to read the comment “There always has been a plurality in the Church.” I wonder if this is true? If it is true, perhaps that is why doctrine has stayed true and how it’s protected. Lately, it seems to me as if the plurality is of the liberal side. Is this because the hierarchy is predominantly liberal? From my 70 or so years of attending weekly mass, 99% of homilies are non confrontational. Is that a left leaning style? Or are most priests afraid to say anything that would hurt someone’s feelings, or get them in trouble?

]]> Di: Elias Galy https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364971 Elias Galy Mon, 09 Aug 2021 20:45:42 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364971 If I could advise the Holy Father personally by some means and with due indulgence for my defects, this is what I would say. I think Fr. Benedict's direction on continuity has a deeper aspect and we should be open to it. Which is that of a piety, that ordinarily it is not necessary to be acting in apposition to the times or in a mode that sets apart as distinctive. And that the extraordinary can more often than not be encountered and provided for in the same mien. That there are some very extraordinary things that shouldn't be overlooked either -too. Then, quickly I would tell him, bear with others as you do with me. We react to many things coming at us quickly and do not have the resource or presence of mind to check into all of them. That all the same even if he were to set up the cause of too much adaptations, whether he intended it or it came about by accidents, our Good God will straighten our way in the future; when we will still be praying for him and hoping for his best in the Divine Providence. The audience I thus got would end quickly in 3 minutes or so and I would kiss the ring and depart. If I could advise the Holy Father personally by some means and with due indulgence for my defects, this is what I would say. I think Fr. Benedict’s direction on continuity has a deeper aspect and we should be open to it. Which is that of a piety, that ordinarily it is not necessary to be acting in apposition to the times or in a mode that sets apart as distinctive. And that the extraordinary can more often than not be encountered and provided for in the same mien.

That there are some very extraordinary things that shouldn’t be overlooked either -too.

Then, quickly I would tell him, bear with others as you do with me. We react to many things coming at us quickly and do not have the resource or presence of mind to check into all of them. That all the same even if he were to set up the cause of too much adaptations, whether he intended it or it came about by accidents, our Good God will straighten our way in the future; when we will still be praying for him and hoping for his best in the Divine Providence.

The audience I thus got would end quickly in 3 minutes or so and I would kiss the ring and depart.

]]> Di: Reynaldo Miranda https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364964 Reynaldo Miranda Mon, 09 Aug 2021 19:23:25 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364964 Let us pray fervently for this pope, for the courage of lord cardinals to speak the truth, for the organization of orthodox cardinal electors and their allies, and for the wisdom and tenacity of the next conclave. Let us also pray for the wisdom and tenacity of laity, priests, ordinaries, religious superiors, and canon lawyers in these times. Let us pray fervently for this pope, for the courage of lord cardinals to speak the truth, for the organization of orthodox cardinal electors and their allies, and for the wisdom and tenacity of the next conclave. Let us also pray for the wisdom and tenacity of laity, priests, ordinaries, religious superiors, and canon lawyers in these times.

]]> Di: Guisseppe Lee https://www.mondayvatican.com/vatican/pope-francis-and-the-civil-war-in-the-church#comment-1364961 Guisseppe Lee Mon, 09 Aug 2021 18:54:36 +0000 http://www.mondayvatican.com/?p=3822#comment-1364961 There is No civil war in the Church. This is another criticism leveled at a pope who carries a heavy cross. He has not, and will not, change any catholic doctrine. He made minor restrictions to the Latin Mass at the REQUEST of several Italian bishops. The latin mass continues in most dioceses. The only conflict in the Church is between radical modernists that want a revolution, and the pharisaical traditionalists who reject the 2nd Vatican Council, and accuse pope Francis of heresy without showing any respect. Our Lord was crucified on the Left and Right hand, this is happening today in his mystical body. It is wise and good to abide in His Sacred Heart (at the center)and engage in silent prayer. There is No civil war in the Church. This is another criticism leveled at a pope who carries a heavy cross. He has not, and will not, change any catholic doctrine. He made minor restrictions to the Latin Mass at the REQUEST of several Italian bishops. The latin mass continues in most dioceses. The only conflict in the Church is between radical modernists that want a revolution, and the pharisaical traditionalists who reject the 2nd Vatican Council, and accuse pope Francis of heresy without showing any respect. Our Lord was crucified on the Left and Right hand, this is happening today in his mystical body. It is wise and good to abide in His Sacred Heart (at the center)and engage in silent prayer.

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